Podcasts with 2 or more people holding conversation?

I recently discovered the TBS podcast ダイアンのTOKYO STYLE which I like quite a bit, but the two dudes are pretttttty casual, to say the least. I was hoping to find more examples of cohosts or host+guest conversation-centric podcast recommendations. Of course, topical interest will vary and be unique to me, but I'm mostly looking to start exploring starting from content Japanese people would listen to themselves (so no "about Japan" or "learning Japanese" focused podcasts).

There's a relative infinity of "learning Japanese" podcasters these days that do the solo podcast host monologue style, and those are great, but I think I've just grown well beyond them at this point. My comprehension feels comfortable for that kind of content, but completely nosedives for two or more Japanese people having a conversation. So, with that, my conclusion is to shift a bit more listening focus to multi-person "organic" conversations.

Also, COTEN is the one podcast on my list that I've seen referenced multiple times, but the first episode I picked had 4 (!!) people and it blew me away. If there are any favorite "gentle" episodes from that podcast that'd also be awesome, always up to give specific individual favorite episodes a listen.

Thanks for any recommendations!