This is why China was able to utilize its worldwide diaspora but Japan was not and why there’s much more aspiration to study overseas from China than Japan.
Ultimately this super narrow view of what is Japanese is harmful for Japan, especially with a rapidly shrinking population with low relative income for a developed country. No one will admit it though. Much easier to hate the 100% ethnic Japanese who speaks perfect English. The whole of Japanese society has an intense crab mentality. So much hate, for what? What are they preserving? Is this really the pinnacle of society and civilization? 😂
Cry me a river, they are all entitled anyways, society doesn’t have to accept you, you have to try to fit in society as takaichi keeps talking about foreigners and coexistence nonsense, the same applies to Japanese people.
I don’t know many people who studied abroad and came back to fit in society perfectly well
It changes you. Maybe you could argue that the ones who choose to go abroad (for more than one semester) are already outliers in society, since that isn’t normal, but it’s a big thing in my friend circle that once you leave for a while it’s impossible to come back sane
As someone sort of in the same category (foreign-born Japanese who moved to Japan as an adult) I feel that this topic has been thoroughly milked and almost reads like self-imposed discrimination.
I had maybe 6-months of awkwardness of being Japanese but not knowing how to live here but after that I was like everyone else, unless of course I started speaking English. I also find some (not all) Kikokushijyo play the “Japan is so behind. In MY country…” card and I hate that
As someone who is actually half Japanese and grew up in the US and am now living here, this narrative is so played out and made into a way bigger deal than it actually is.
The premise of this whole argument is that if you are ethnically Japanese and lived abroad, you should be able to come to Japan and automatically fit in. But like any other place, you need to learn the customs and nuances on how to fit in. Do that and it’s fine. And I would say that being ethically Japanese is not even a requirement.
I respect and admire the returnees who adapted well commenting on this post saying it’s bullshit for them but in a similar vein I grew up in Japan as an international school student and it’s been 10 years trying to integrate to Normal Japanese Society… I’m doing real well adapting because I use perfect Japanese and I Know My Place™ but deep down I understand this country is not for me.
I don’t think I’ll ever relate to Normal Japanese people and they only tolerate me because I play the バカキャラ card. Idk why anyone with an international background would be comfortable with xenophobia and stupid comments targeted to foreigners too. Growing up in the 2000s I saw my black skinned school mates in elementary school being openly mocked by salarymen on trains. Yes things are better now but if you grew up here you would feel the consistent ignorance and hostility not apparent to foreigners and I always have to be the middleman of foreigners vs Japanese situations too.
Played out and almost false among the younger generation.
But generally, they identify you based on how you act. If you are a returnee but don’t act Japanese, then they’ll treat as foreign. Language is assumed to be weaker as a returnee but they assume cultural understanding.
That’s why I say if you think it’s bad being a gaijin in Japan it is nothing compared to be a Japanese who lived abroad for a long time then comes back and is expected to behave a certain way and gets thoroughly punished if they don’t.
I was horrified to learn that the Brazilian-Japanese community go to separate schools and there hasn’t been until very recently an effort to integrate them into Japanese society with most not even being able to speak conversational Japanese.
In America immigrants are usually assimilated by the second generation. I’ve seen 70 year old people who lived in Japan their entire lives still referring to themselves as Koreans.
The fact that there is even a special word for them “returnees” says so much. Others vs Us
The returnee experience is certainly real. Moreover, parents face the decision of putting their kids in an international school or a Japanese school. A third option, a hybrid system, does exist.
I work at a private Japanese school with an international program (IP). IP students take all their classes in Japanese, but instead of taking an English class and studying from New Treasure, they receive more challenging lessons. I teach the literature classes, and my students read four novels and a literature textbook a year. Other classes in the IP include writing, vocabulary, grammar, and speaking. The speaking class focuses on presentations and debates. We also attend the World Scholar’s Cup, a debate contest.
Our school is located in Saitama, but I’m sure you can find a school with a similar program near where you live.
This is interesting to me as I work with a lot of Japanese returnees, people that have been out of Japan for nearly a decade, maybe longer, and at least at our company they are the most popular people here. I mean one of them speaks English with a really thick British accent and everyone’s crazy for it, their fluency is at the point where they confessed to me that when they go to a museum they usually just read the English description instead of the Japanese one. I will say our company trends a little younger, and is more global focused, I mean I work here so….
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This is why China was able to utilize its worldwide diaspora but Japan was not and why there’s much more aspiration to study overseas from China than Japan.
Ultimately this super narrow view of what is Japanese is harmful for Japan, especially with a rapidly shrinking population with low relative income for a developed country. No one will admit it though. Much easier to hate the 100% ethnic Japanese who speaks perfect English. The whole of Japanese society has an intense crab mentality. So much hate, for what? What are they preserving? Is this really the pinnacle of society and civilization? 😂
Cry me a river, they are all entitled anyways, society doesn’t have to accept you, you have to try to fit in society as takaichi keeps talking about foreigners and coexistence nonsense, the same applies to Japanese people.
I don’t know many people who studied abroad and came back to fit in society perfectly well
It changes you. Maybe you could argue that the ones who choose to go abroad (for more than one semester) are already outliers in society, since that isn’t normal, but it’s a big thing in my friend circle that once you leave for a while it’s impossible to come back sane
As someone sort of in the same category (foreign-born Japanese who moved to Japan as an adult) I feel that this topic has been thoroughly milked and almost reads like self-imposed discrimination.
I had maybe 6-months of awkwardness of being Japanese but not knowing how to live here but after that I was like everyone else, unless of course I started speaking English. I also find some (not all) Kikokushijyo play the “Japan is so behind. In MY country…” card and I hate that
As someone who is actually half Japanese and grew up in the US and am now living here, this narrative is so played out and made into a way bigger deal than it actually is.
The premise of this whole argument is that if you are ethnically Japanese and lived abroad, you should be able to come to Japan and automatically fit in. But like any other place, you need to learn the customs and nuances on how to fit in. Do that and it’s fine. And I would say that being ethically Japanese is not even a requirement.
I respect and admire the returnees who adapted well commenting on this post saying it’s bullshit for them but in a similar vein I grew up in Japan as an international school student and it’s been 10 years trying to integrate to Normal Japanese Society… I’m doing real well adapting because I use perfect Japanese and I Know My Place™ but deep down I understand this country is not for me.
I don’t think I’ll ever relate to Normal Japanese people and they only tolerate me because I play the バカキャラ card. Idk why anyone with an international background would be comfortable with xenophobia and stupid comments targeted to foreigners too. Growing up in the 2000s I saw my black skinned school mates in elementary school being openly mocked by salarymen on trains. Yes things are better now but if you grew up here you would feel the consistent ignorance and hostility not apparent to foreigners and I always have to be the middleman of foreigners vs Japanese situations too.
Played out and almost false among the younger generation.
But generally, they identify you based on how you act. If you are a returnee but don’t act Japanese, then they’ll treat as foreign. Language is assumed to be weaker as a returnee but they assume cultural understanding.
That’s why I say if you think it’s bad being a gaijin in Japan it is nothing compared to be a Japanese who lived abroad for a long time then comes back and is expected to behave a certain way and gets thoroughly punished if they don’t.
I was horrified to learn that the Brazilian-Japanese community go to separate schools and there hasn’t been until very recently an effort to integrate them into Japanese society with most not even being able to speak conversational Japanese.
In America immigrants are usually assimilated by the second generation. I’ve seen 70 year old people who lived in Japan their entire lives still referring to themselves as Koreans.
The fact that there is even a special word for them “returnees” says so much. Others vs Us
The returnee experience is certainly real. Moreover, parents face the decision of putting their kids in an international school or a Japanese school. A third option, a hybrid system, does exist.
I work at a private Japanese school with an international program (IP). IP students take all their classes in Japanese, but instead of taking an English class and studying from New Treasure, they receive more challenging lessons. I teach the literature classes, and my students read four novels and a literature textbook a year. Other classes in the IP include writing, vocabulary, grammar, and speaking. The speaking class focuses on presentations and debates. We also attend the World Scholar’s Cup, a debate contest.
Our school is located in Saitama, but I’m sure you can find a school with a similar program near where you live.
This is interesting to me as I work with a lot of Japanese returnees, people that have been out of Japan for nearly a decade, maybe longer, and at least at our company they are the most popular people here. I mean one of them speaks English with a really thick British accent and everyone’s crazy for it, their fluency is at the point where they confessed to me that when they go to a museum they usually just read the English description instead of the Japanese one. I will say our company trends a little younger, and is more global focused, I mean I work here so….
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