They know they are not needed with sanseito sucking Aso’s ballls
At least they have integrity
Might be Ishin’s time to shine
This is probably the most important thing to happen in party politics here since 2012. Komeito has a consistent 10% of the electorate who will turn out for them at every election. Without electoral cooperation from them, the LDP is going to be a lot more vulnerable in a lot of constituencies.
Now Japanese politics are going to get interesting
Just goes to show how different Takaichi is from Abe. One at least understood that you could say whatever nationalistic stuff you wanted to the Japanese, but the prudent international posture was to keep it liberal and soft for Japan’s own sake. Now it’s time to tear that positive image down in the search of prestige and romanticism.
Is there a chance of a different party winning now?
Can I get this in basketball terms
Is now the time to come to blows given that vulnerability will only make politics MORE likely to be beholden to the most extreme?
With a party like Sanseito being in existence legitimately every other party needs all the help it can get to squash that threat. If they won’t cooperate now, they’re likely to be very disappointed later.
This is what happened to America. Yet around the world, people who were primed to pay attention as to the blueprint of what NOT to do… do it anyway.
I have been dismissive and disgusted of this luke warm both side party.
But today I held them a bit high regard
This will come back to haunt Komeito come election time. They don’t have a large enough voter base–and their policies are too similar to other parties to differentiate themselves.
The LDP might go the way of the Tories in the UK, which seemed great until Labour left the door open for the far-right Reform Party to steal the spotlight.
Can’t believe the cult is finally out of the coalition. Japan’s lost 30 years is now over!
Does that mean that I have to hate the Komeito a little less now and grudgingly respect them EVEN THOUGH THEY’RE THE POLITICAL ARM OF A CULT!?
Surely this is because Takaichi is a China hawk, don’t you think? Komeito says “of all parties in the Diet, Komeito enjoys the strongest and most stable relationship with China.”
Komeito indicated this much earlier, that Takaichi would be no-go for them, so it must have been part of the calculation of LDP elders when they chose Takaichi. A new coalition negotiation, probably a more conservative one, would already be nearly struck behind the scene.
Or maybe Takaichi turned out to be more unwilling to change her politics and concede to the moderates than they thought she would.
Welp. Wikipedia has already updated. Its really not certain where Takaichi and the LDP will find the extra votes to confirm the next PM. Maybe Ishin? But the LDP will have to pay an enormous political price for it in any case.
The other alternative is to call for elections now but that would be a fucking disaster given the latest performances and polls.
Maybe a minority government somehow…
Always bet on nothing
Whoa wtf
I was really not expecting the Komeito to make this stance given that they had previously worked with conservative LDP leaders before. I was expecting a couple headline perhaps negotiate softening on some stuff and to fall back in with the LDP.
This either highlights that Takaichi is notably bad at moderation/party control, or is courting other forces (like sanseito) that the Komeito find intolerable.
Or it’s highlighting that the Komeito went backwards in the last election including having the prospective leader not win his seat, they see themselves as tied to a sinking ship and want off.
Could be both, either way makes for an interesting time.
well that certainly is a shot across the bow
the question now is if Takaichi and her Aso clan can find enough votes somewhere else.
OR
accept that Komeito “reforms” are in fact necessary
I think she decides to eat crow
we will have to wait and see
This is… big
I think she ll never be PM or a very short lived one . Starts thinking the whole thing was a trap to get ride of her …. Anyway to get the votes she’ll need to accept totally fiscally irresponsible demands from other small parties and if she did , she ll end like Liz Truss in the UK a few years ago and will crash JPY and once gasoline price will pass the 200yen mark it will be her demise. Actually japan PM is an impossible job rn ( and it is a bit the case in every democracy rn , japan was just lagging due to its electoral system ) . What is worrisome there is no viable alternative
holy shit, we are going to have the LDP decline further in the next election unless they very publicly get their shit together.
Someone correct me but doesn’t the LDP need either Ishin+DPFP or at least Ishin+Sanseito to get a majority in both houses? This right wing coalition seems impossible to negotiate right now.
And now Tamaki says he’s prepared to be PM if CDP agrees to his national security policies.
Aso might literally have lost the party its ruling status twice now, and you’ll still have a chunk of the LDP listen to him like he’s Moses.
Sorry my dear Japanese. What would be the “Japan equivalent” of a lettuce to make the good contest: “What will last longer? This lettuce or Takaichi?”.
Could someone from Japan answer this and give clarity.
A lot of people are saying LDP will suffer but in truth just from the general feelings from Japanese people, they all support the LDP even more now that Komeito is out.
I think Japan was already trending to be right-wing and they hated Komeito for 1) being religious, 2) being “pro-China” and 3) “left-wing” and old.
It seems this will do the LDP for favours that not as a “renewal”
I don’t support this new right wing turn but how is this the “owning” of the LDP?
So, does the LDP still have the seats to maintain a coalition? Or is this just the first domino?
###tl;dr
###LDP+Komeito prior to split
House of Representatives: 197+24 = 221 < 233 needed for majority
House of Councillors: 101+21 = 122 < 124 needed for majority
###Potential new combinations
###LDP+Ishin+DPFP
HoR: 197+38+28 = 263 > 233
HoC: 101+19+22 = 142 > 124
###LDP+Ishin+Sanseito
HoR: 197+38+3 = 238 > 233
HoC: 101+19+15 = 135 > 124
This is massive.
Komeito is basically getting a divorce after being married to the LDP for 26 years, acting as the LDP’s de-facto “pacifist faction”.
Prior to the split, in the House of Representatives, the LDP + Komeito coalition are already in a minority with a combined 221 (197+24) seats, way below the 233 needed for a majority. Without the Komeito, that minority number drops further down to 197.
The LDP could seek out Ishin who are more hawkish and conservative than the Komeito to cobble up a majority (197+38 = 235 > 233).
But then there’s the House of Councillors to consider as well. Before the split, the LDP + Komeito alliance has 122 (101+21) seats, just below the 124 needed for a majority in that house. Now they’re down to 101 seats.
LDP + Ishin would yield even less seats (101+19 = 120).
So to muster a working majority in both houses, besides Ishin, Takaichi could either go for the DPFP, who has 22 seats in the upper house, or even the ideologically similar Sanseito with their 15 seats.
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Holy moly. This is going to change history.
They know they are not needed with sanseito sucking Aso’s ballls
At least they have integrity
Might be Ishin’s time to shine
This is probably the most important thing to happen in party politics here since 2012. Komeito has a consistent 10% of the electorate who will turn out for them at every election. Without electoral cooperation from them, the LDP is going to be a lot more vulnerable in a lot of constituencies.
Now Japanese politics are going to get interesting
Just goes to show how different Takaichi is from Abe. One at least understood that you could say whatever nationalistic stuff you wanted to the Japanese, but the prudent international posture was to keep it liberal and soft for Japan’s own sake. Now it’s time to tear that positive image down in the search of prestige and romanticism.
Is there a chance of a different party winning now?
Can I get this in basketball terms
Is now the time to come to blows given that vulnerability will only make politics MORE likely to be beholden to the most extreme?
With a party like Sanseito being in existence legitimately every other party needs all the help it can get to squash that threat. If they won’t cooperate now, they’re likely to be very disappointed later.
This is what happened to America. Yet around the world, people who were primed to pay attention as to the blueprint of what NOT to do… do it anyway.
I have been dismissive and disgusted of this luke warm both side party.
But today I held them a bit high regard
This will come back to haunt Komeito come election time. They don’t have a large enough voter base–and their policies are too similar to other parties to differentiate themselves.
The LDP might go the way of the Tories in the UK, which seemed great until Labour left the door open for the far-right Reform Party to steal the spotlight.
Can’t believe the cult is finally out of the coalition. Japan’s lost 30 years is now over!
Does that mean that I have to hate the Komeito a little less now and grudgingly respect them EVEN THOUGH THEY’RE THE POLITICAL ARM OF A CULT!?
Gee, I don’t know if I can make that transition. [My brain hurts](https://youtu.be/UOHMg7IkzHU?si=xSC29Ln5mfRq8Ia0).
This is how you play… the Game of Throooones
Or House of Cards? I dunno.
Surely this is because Takaichi is a China hawk, don’t you think? Komeito says “of all parties in the Diet, Komeito enjoys the strongest and most stable relationship with China.”
Komeito indicated this much earlier, that Takaichi would be no-go for them, so it must have been part of the calculation of LDP elders when they chose Takaichi. A new coalition negotiation, probably a more conservative one, would already be nearly struck behind the scene.
Or maybe Takaichi turned out to be more unwilling to change her politics and concede to the moderates than they thought she would.
Welp. Wikipedia has already updated. Its really not certain where Takaichi and the LDP will find the extra votes to confirm the next PM. Maybe Ishin? But the LDP will have to pay an enormous political price for it in any case.
The other alternative is to call for elections now but that would be a fucking disaster given the latest performances and polls.
Maybe a minority government somehow…
Always bet on nothing
Whoa wtf
I was really not expecting the Komeito to make this stance given that they had previously worked with conservative LDP leaders before. I was expecting a couple headline perhaps negotiate softening on some stuff and to fall back in with the LDP.
This either highlights that Takaichi is notably bad at moderation/party control, or is courting other forces (like sanseito) that the Komeito find intolerable.
Or it’s highlighting that the Komeito went backwards in the last election including having the prospective leader not win his seat, they see themselves as tied to a sinking ship and want off.
Could be both, either way makes for an interesting time.
well that certainly is a shot across the bow
the question now is if Takaichi and her Aso clan can find enough votes somewhere else.
OR
accept that Komeito “reforms” are in fact necessary
I think she decides to eat crow
we will have to wait and see
This is… big
I think she ll never be PM or a very short lived one . Starts thinking the whole thing was a trap to get ride of her …. Anyway to get the votes she’ll need to accept totally fiscally irresponsible demands from other small parties and if she did , she ll end like Liz Truss in the UK a few years ago and will crash JPY and once gasoline price will pass the 200yen mark it will be her demise. Actually japan PM is an impossible job rn ( and it is a bit the case in every democracy rn , japan was just lagging due to its electoral system ) . What is worrisome there is no viable alternative
holy shit, we are going to have the LDP decline further in the next election unless they very publicly get their shit together.
Someone correct me but doesn’t the LDP need either Ishin+DPFP or at least Ishin+Sanseito to get a majority in both houses? This right wing coalition seems impossible to negotiate right now.
And now Tamaki says he’s prepared to be PM if CDP agrees to his national security policies.
Aso might literally have lost the party its ruling status twice now, and you’ll still have a chunk of the LDP listen to him like he’s Moses.
Sorry my dear Japanese. What would be the “Japan equivalent” of a lettuce to make the good contest: “What will last longer? This lettuce or Takaichi?”.
Could someone from Japan answer this and give clarity.
A lot of people are saying LDP will suffer but in truth just from the general feelings from Japanese people, they all support the LDP even more now that Komeito is out.
I think Japan was already trending to be right-wing and they hated Komeito for 1) being religious, 2) being “pro-China” and 3) “left-wing” and old.
It seems this will do the LDP for favours that not as a “renewal”
I don’t support this new right wing turn but how is this the “owning” of the LDP?
So, does the LDP still have the seats to maintain a coalition? Or is this just the first domino?
###tl;dr
###LDP+Komeito prior to split
House of Representatives: 197+24 = 221 < 233 needed for majority
House of Councillors: 101+21 = 122 < 124 needed for majority
###Potential new combinations
###LDP+Ishin+DPFP
HoR: 197+38+28 = 263 > 233
HoC: 101+19+22 = 142 > 124
###LDP+Ishin+Sanseito
HoR: 197+38+3 = 238 > 233
HoC: 101+19+15 = 135 > 124
This is massive.
Komeito is basically getting a divorce after being married to the LDP for 26 years, acting as the LDP’s de-facto “pacifist faction”.
Prior to the split, in the House of Representatives, the LDP + Komeito coalition are already in a minority with a combined 221 (197+24) seats, way below the 233 needed for a majority. Without the Komeito, that minority number drops further down to 197.
The LDP could seek out Ishin who are more hawkish and conservative than the Komeito to cobble up a majority (197+38 = 235 > 233).
But then there’s the House of Councillors to consider as well. Before the split, the LDP + Komeito alliance has 122 (101+21) seats, just below the 124 needed for a majority in that house. Now they’re down to 101 seats.
LDP + Ishin would yield even less seats (101+19 = 120).
So to muster a working majority in both houses, besides Ishin, Takaichi could either go for the DPFP, who has 22 seats in the upper house, or even the ideologically similar Sanseito with their 15 seats.
素晴らしい
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