tl;dr: I would like to hear your advices on which credit card to choose, and from your experience which are worth it or not worth it (e.g. I think most people didn't know Ana rewards for international flights come with high fees). thank you!
Hello, I've lived in Japan for 2 years and realized I'm the only one who doesn't have a credit card amongst all my friends. I came across so many cc types that I'm just overwhelmed. Not just types, but even strategies, e.g. "you should get Amex Gold/Platinum only if you have upcoming high costs so that you can get a high welcome bonus". and then "you can apply to another Amex card but different type to get another welcome bonus, like Mariott bonvoy"
but before even considering these types of cards or "strategies", I don't even know if I'm eligible for any of those as I have no credit history. I do have a decent profile I'd say (high income, 5 year visa etc), but that's it.
I thought about getting Ana card but previously someone in this subreddit said that Ana has really high fees for international flight rewards, hence Im suddenly not sure if it's worth it. I don't mind if a certain cc has a high annual fee if it means getting perks that are worth it.
most people here mentioned rakuten / Amazon / v-points. I imagine those are the best starter ones? But does anyone have a longer-term vision on cc? do they eventually plan to get Amex if they have high spendings in the near future? for Amex holders, how hard is it to get Amex in JP? I would like to hear your advices as I feel like some cc have hidden traps (like Ana with high international reward fees) or maybe some cc have hidden perks. thank you
UPDATE: I applied for Amazon CC and got rejected within 1 minute. No idea why.
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I just got Amazon’s card because I order quite a bit from them and can use the points earned on my purchases. It’s also free
Do you work for a large(r) company? If so, check to see if they have any credit cards available through your benefits. These generally are guaranteed approval and often have annual fees removed or reduced. I got my first card, a DC Gold VISA with waived annual fees, that way.
Else, [Kakaku has plenty of cards to compare](https://kakaku.com/card/).
My other main card is a simple View card that allows my mobile Suica to get points while auto-charging. It turns into a couple free take-home meals from Atre a month.
Unless you have a real need / are confident in yourself to not get trapped in the overconsumption debt traps, I would stick to just a debit card, so far no issues with any services online.
>I applied for Amazon CC and got rejected within 1 minute
It’s a black box. Their auditing process auto rejects certain percentage of applicants for whatever reason.
I have Amazon CC for Amazon. It’s my first credit card in Japan. I’m also using Rakuten gold card for tsumitate nisa, which gives me a thousand points monthly for reinvestment (1% * 100,000 yen). And I have PayPay gold card for daily consumptions, also using it for the points.
my thoughts on Amex:
Love the customer service: they answer the phone right away and so far have always been helpful. To be honest this is the main reason I use them – I have confidence they will be on my side in case of loss or fraudulent use.
Annual fee is quite high (about 40,000 for gold, about 165,000 for platinum). Green is v reasonable at 1000 per month or so. You can get a lot of this back in travel credits but it usually comes with catches (eg Amex’s travel website tends to be quite a bit more expensive than rival travel websites).
Not really delighted with the offers. Mostly they are for luxury brands I don’t buy. But the occasional airline cashback discount can save you the annual fee alone if the right offer comes along.
In theory there’s no limit so it’s the best card if you want to put a few million yen or more on it each month. I have spent large amounts on it in the past and never had an issue.
App is very good and I like that provisional charges appear right away for extra security.
The cellphone insurance is quite good: if you have it you could do without Apple Care. 20% back at Starbucks for the gold card.
Two for one dining is a nice benefit although you have to buy the restaurant’s most expensive course.
Point redemption overall is pretty poor (0.8% to 1%) unless you use it for airline miles.
Basically it’s a card built around paying a bit more to get nicer things. If you mostly want a credit card to get points and save money it doesn’t make sense.
SMBC Gold NL is probably still the best value low-fuss card around. I highly recommend it if you don’t want to go deep into optimizing.
The annual fee is waived forever if you spend 1m a year, and you get pretty good cashback benefits. Best combined with using SBI Securities as your main investment broker as you can use the points for investments, and if use the card for tsumitate contributions and get 1% back in points.
If you are a heavy user of Rakuten services, a Rakuten card is good to have too (and free.)
Amex isn’t great. At least not in japan.
It’s your first card, so, recommend you get a visa as it’s the most widely accepted in Japan and worldwide.
Get a free card with one of the shops you often use.
Then when you get more used to it just migrate to another card that best suit your needs.
I use the SMBC Olive credit card. You get V-points back which can be used as currency to buy literally anything. Have never had V-points rejected as currency anywhere, either online or in-person. You get extra cash back on 7-Eleven and McDonalds.
Since you asked for long-term vision: If you’re a high spender or self-employed, after the Rakuten ecosystem (which is probably the best in terms of rewards) the next best is probably JAL if you like flying. JAL has revamped their system and if you run all your business expenses through their partner sites and pay your taxes using a JAL card, you can accumulate a lot of miles and life status points very quickly. This eventually results in lifetime JAL status, as long as you hold an eligible credit card. JAL miles are barely worth more than ¥1 most of the time when you redeem them for domestic flights, but if you redeem them for international business class seats they can be worth ¥3-4 or even ~¥10 for first class seats on certain international routes.
Amazon is issued by SMBC and they have an automated approval system with gates. If it isn’t approved or denied automatically, it gets passed to human review.
If you have no credit history and/or been here less than 6 months, your first step should be to just get any card and establish a credit history. Sometimes going through your own bank can make the first step a bit easier.
I applied for a PayPay credit card and got approved. After a year in Japan.
There were some hoops I had to jump through. I had to request a Japanese speaking colleague to call them on my behalf. I had to send them a photocopy of my ID via snail mail.
I used to have ANA AMEX, it wasn’t worth it for international flights, since fees were high and I couldn’t get a booking anyway. Very long waitlists. I used all the miles for domestic flights, tbh en cancelled the card.
Got AMEX SPG, then it changed into Marriott Bonvoy. Best card so far, got my honeymoon covered, lots of nice hotels practically for free, lots of upgrades and free breakfast. But this year I’m looking around what to replace it with.
The annual fee is going up to ¥82,500. Barely any points back for paying my taxes on the card. Just came back from a holiday in Hakuba, I didn’t get an upgrade (expected, since it’s peak season), but I was disappointed that I only got free breakfast on the first day. The breakfast is close to ¥4,000 per person, so it can add up. And with me having dietary restrictions, it’s definitely not worth paying for it, since my eating options there are very limited. But it was nice and convenient perk.
I did get lots of value out of this card and it’s getting a little expensive to keep it. Although looking around so far, I don’t see many other great options.
> UPDATE: I applied for Amazon CC and got rejected within 1 minute. No idea why.
Are you employed? Do you have a decent salary?
None of the fancy ones are really worth the headache in Japan to be honest. Too many hoops to jump through and too little in return.
Just get a cheap low cost 1% credit card like Amazon, Rakuten or PayPay where you can use the points easily.
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